[notime] Previous 'No Time' correspondence - Is a shadow a 2 dimensional object?

[Jeanne-Kamikaze]

Well, being a computer graphics guy, I find it easy to think of a shadow as
the projection of an object onto one or multiple planes. In fact, that's
how old games implemented shadows: they would draw the geometry twice, once
to get the object rendered on the screen, and a second pass with the
object's transform multiplied by a projection matrix that would smash the
object onto the ground. By this definition, shadows are planar /
2-dimensional objects.

One can then grab two 3d objects and arrange them so that their shadows
partially overlap, or so that one shadow completely contains the other. The
shadows occupy the same physical space, but the "real" 3d objects from
which the shadows are created do not (or at least not necessarily). By
extension, the 3d objects can themselves be projections of
higher-dimensional objects. The 3d objects can then be made to overlap,
without making any assumptions on whether the higher-dimensional objects
from which they are created are themselves overlapping. Additionally, two
overlapping, higher-dimensional objects can spawn non-overlapping 3d
objects by using different projection functions for both. So the fact that
two objects overlap or not in one dimension does not say anything about
those same objects overlapping in higher dimensions.

On 9 August 2015 at 16:23, Robert Vaessen <notime at robsworld.org> wrote:

> All -
>
> As I mentioned in a previous post - I’m planning to re-post some of my
> previous ‘No Time’ conversations in the ‘Akinetochronism’ forum.  Here’s an
> old email from Mike D. It’s a good example of non-elastic thinking. Some
> people simply can’t think outside the box. They are constrained by
> traditional thoughts on physics and they feel that they must restrain
> others from thinking different. I’ve received many spiteful emails over the
> years (perhaps you have as well) - Thankfully they haven’t deterred me from
> expressing my personal opinions in a way that doesn’t disparage or insult
> other people. Your opinions are valuable - Please feel free to disagree
> with my ‘No Time / No Motion’ ideas, but lets keep the conversation civil.
>
> In the email below - Does this person argue that existence is limited to
> objects with three dimensions? Would anyone care to argue how a shadow
> doesn’t exist? As far as I can tell, a shadow can be sensed with our
> ability of sight, and it can be measured to have at least two dimensions
> (height x width). Doesn’t that in fact make it a 2 dimensional object?  As
> a matter of fact, I can’t think of any other ‘object’ or class of objects
> that satisfy the requirements for something being two dimensional. Can you
> think of something (other than a shadow) that has two measurable
> dimensions, but not three?
>
> The discussion regarding 2 dimensional objects led me to speculate that
> there are in fact ‘higher’ or multiple dimensions. That the actions of
> higher dimensional objects or beings may in fact have an effect upon us.
> Can multiple objects occupy the same physical space? Here I was attempting
> to demonstrate that objects in different dimensions can occupy the same
> physical space - provided they are separated from the other objects by
> their residence in another dimensional realm. This is an instrumental part
> of my ‘No Time / No Motion’ ideas. All these possible matter states occupy
> the same physical space. They’re separated from each other in a
> multi-dimensional array of possible matter states. I envision it more as a
> probability state or matrix than actual physical copies (with very minor
> differences) of each possible matter state.
>
> When a node (matter state) is examined/observed/processed the
> probable/possible matter state is resolved. A collapse or resolution of
> molecular constituents occurs, and we observe the matter state that defines
> the node that we are observing. Does reality coalesce from a
> multi-dimensional quantum foam as we observe our environment? As we focus
> our senses or process the particulars of a particular nodal position we
> bring our reality into focus with a deterministic result.
>
> - Robert
>
>
> Email from ‘Mike D’ - May 26, 2006
>
> Really think about this...
>
> (Quoting Robert Vaessen: http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html>) "The
> shadow occupies the same physical space as the solid object without
> displacing it (No sidetracking on the other effects at this point). So here
> we can see that *multidimensional objects can coexist simultaneously
> within the same space*. A 2 dimensional object and a 3 dimensional object
> can occupy the same physical space."
>
> Of course a shadow doesn't displace anything... a shadow does not exist.
> A shadow does not occur in the same space as the object blocking the
> light.  A shadow occurs when an object blocks protons from continuing on
> their path. The shadow is merely an area that is not being illuminated by
> light.
>
> It is irresponsible to post something like your "Time does not exist" page
> on the Internet.  People might actually read it and believe it.  Not that
> you are wrong, who really knows, but the content is atrocious.
>
>
>
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