[notime] Expanding on the topic 'No such thing as motion'

[Robert Vaessen]

All -

I thought I’d spend a few minutes talking about the concept of ‘No such thing as motion’

It’s a concept that many seem reluctant or unable to grasp. In conversation with skeptics and those who question me on my ideas (Ideas about the non-existence of time and motion).

The skeptical party (in face to face conversations) sometimes break down and begin to employ theatrical arguments to their counter arguments. I’ve had this happen on more than one occasion. It seems to satisfy some primal urge to flail the limbs in a primal display of certainty in their physical existence.

They wave their hands in the air (or flail their arms about), and say - "Well Mr. Smarty-Pants, what did I just do if there's no such thing as motion?”

Oh, how I'd love to respond with something like... "You just demonstrated your childish grasp of reality and your juvenile method of arguing points of logic". Then I go on to explain how they can only measure time by comparing objects that appear to be moving. Think about this: When you wake up (and don't look at a clock) do you feel like some amount of 'Time' has passed? If so, how much time do you think has passed? 

Time can be described (in traditional definitions) as a way of measuring ‘observable change’ between objects or observed events.  In other words, you can only measure change if you can observe physical change. If you can’t compare objects through their apparent change, you can’t apply a ‘time’ measurement to the event.

If your environment is a sealed room containing a table and no other objects, you could only create the illusion of time if you moved the table about. If the table were bolted to the floor, what movement what be used to observe change? How could you possibly ‘measure’ the change if there is no apparent change?

How much time would have to pass before you could exclaim, Aha! We have proof of movement, therefore we have change, therefore we have time! How much time has passed?

Time (the unit of measurement/it’s use when measuring change) has traditionally been based on the apparent motion of the stars, the moon, the planet as it rotates around the sun.  If we separate time from the apparent motion of astronomical events (as modern time measurements purport to do), we’re still basing the proof of time on apparent or observed change. Molecular decay, atomic fluctuations, the motion of cesium atoms. Dividing and subdividing the infinite quantity of an untouchable thing (time) doesn’t make it real.

In my argument that everything coexists simultaneously, I argue that all possible matter states are static. In saying ‘static’ I mean that they are unmoving.  They do not move in relation to each other or on their own.  They exist in multiple possible matter states that simply don’t change or move ever.  Multiple versions of the earth exist in every possible orbital position.  As we (our consciousness) process the possible matter states or nodes, our brain creates the illusion of motion from a linear series of nodal events.  Our limited cognitive capabilities process the nodes in this linear/sequential manner and as a consequence, we synthesize a reality which allows us to comprehend the multiple simultaneous states.  Our minds can't comprehend the simultaneous nature of reality so we create a reality that appears to be changing, and we measure that change by applying a measurement to the change. We call that method of measuring observed change ’Time’ - Or, as has been suggested by others, we (as a race) have devised this ‘illusion’ of time in order to interact with other souls/consciousness as it/they process overlapping nodes. Nodes which I process and you process. Given the number of possible matter states, it seems unlikely that two of us would ever intersect ‘adjacent’ matter states, but this limited processing capability may have the added benefit of allow us to observe apparent like lifeforms, and in that observation we become a distinct race of beings or lifeforms…

O.k. that was pretty heavy. I think I’ll take a break now, while you like ‘lifeforms’ ingest and digest my musings.

- Robert

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