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<div>Allen, I figure I owe you a short, sweet and on topic response after your clear and concise post :). Some of us think that time is definitely fake, and for those of us in that camp, Rob's most notable breakthrough IMO is that even though we are so very
far away from being able to prove that motion is also fake, in the grand scheme of things it makes more sense that motion is also fake if time truly fake. The puzzle fits together more cleanly if he's right, even though it means we have even more puzzle pieces
missing than we'd thought.</div>
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<div>It's possible that the strings are "vibrating" here in our dimension, and your fingers are "moving" down towards the "stationary" keys, but that all of that (what we think of as) motion is only a projection/derivative from a higher dimension and maybe
even caused by the 5th-6th-plus forces that you mentioned. Like our whole existence is being puppeteered from a higher dimension, all for the shared purpose of being able to interact in a physical environment at all (a beautiful thing we can all agree) which
necessitates "dumbing down" our full awareness with the fake and agreed upon concepts of time and motion. </div>
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<div>The delicate rate at which the universe had to be expanding in order for us to ever wind up here required astronomically-high levels of precise expansion-rate calibration. Everything might be tethered to higher dimensions, from the big bang-type event
(inflation theory) on.</div>
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From: Allen Cavalluzzi <acavalluzzi@hellmanelectric.com> <br>
Date:02/16/2016 9:27 PM (GMT-05:00) <br>
To: No such thing as time or motion discussions <akinetochronism@robsworld.org> <br>
Cc: <br>
Subject: Re: [notime] Seth <br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Sorry,,,,</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I don’t buy this “Seth dissertation” – especially as I believe it is not relative to this email thread “No such thing as time or motion”.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">A few fine facts contained therein are lost within an enormous amount of subjectivity and pontification. It makes for a hard read imo.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Some previous posters have written some point specific comments, suggestions, hypothesis and questions. Imo, these type of email replies bode better for the
thread. Short and sweet is easier to digest than long and convoluted.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Guys,,, I think we are talking physics here not movies and dreams.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Every email I have read, I have considered and mated it up with what I believe I know.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">So I will offer my thoughts so far. To start:</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Who really cares if there IS or IS NOT any time or motion. I think the author took a position and like a true scientist he wants to vet it out fully, welcoming
everyone’s ideas . </span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I for one have a feeling that the definition of time is not the same for all of us. </span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Mostly everyone buys into “time” as a measurement tool. But how deep they consider the tool is I guess what this email thread is about.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">To me, “time” is a unit-less measure of movement for any and all objects. So in my theory if there is no movement then there is no time. And I mean down
to the string theory level (if that is a valid theory) If the strings vibrate, then there is time.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">That is as far as I get with my concept,,, I’d be more than happy to consider counterpoints.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">As far as No motion. Well, If one is considering motion as a relativistic unit on every minute scale then why not. In other words tell me that my fingers
typing on this keyboard are not moving because the keys are actually jumping up towards my fingers, so relatively I / we (the keyboard & I ) have not really moved Or when I get up to go to the bathroom, the bathroom is actually coming to me and so on… then
perhaps yes, relativistic-ally maybe there has not been any movement. Boy this requires then in my definition that to every action there is an equal and totally equal reaction (down to the string level – again if that theory holds true). Is that the idea of
“no motion”? </span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Otherwise what’s wrong with movement and the measure of movement (time in my definition). I believe in the big bang or at least in the expansion of our universe.
Movement. So I am curious as to why “no motion”. The “no time” thing I like albeit my definition might not be the one being promulgated here.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I’m deftly curious about how the universe works, and what other possibilities lie out there and the consideration of what other universes might look like,
especially considering that they may have difference constant atomic constituent values and or lacking constituent elements or perhaps they have even more fundamental constituent elements. Maybe not 4 forces of nature but 5 or 6 or so on.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I read about the possibility of denser or less dense universes. Cool concepts come to mind, Different forms of life or life like entities. Perhaps Rocks or
Crystalline structures that are alive within more massive Crystalline structure worlds.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">I may have gone off on a tangent but some previous posters have alluded to similar strange considerations that have sparked my mind.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">So, if not obvious, I enjoy reading these emails. I might agree to a small degree with Andy’s frustration over Daniel’s posts, but temperance and patience
is definitely needed imo, on and in any web / email forum...</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Good work Rob.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> akinetochronism [mailto:akinetochronism-bounces@robsworld.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andy W<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 15, 2016 3:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> akinetochronism@robsworld.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [notime] Seth</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">"Now the behavior of atoms and molecules is involved here, for again
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<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">these are only present within your universe during certain stages.
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<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">Their activity is perceived only during the range of particular
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<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">vibratory rhythms. </span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">When your scientists examine them for example, they do not examine the
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<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">nature, say, of an atom. </span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">They only explore the characteristics of an atom as it acts or shows
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">itself within your </span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">system. </span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">Its greater reality completely escapes them.</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">You understand that there are spectrums of light.
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">So are there spectrums of matter. </span>
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<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">Your system of physical reality is not dense in comparison with some
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<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">others. </span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">The dimensions that you give to physical matter barely begin to hint at
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<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">the varieties of dimensions possible.</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">Some systems are far heavier or lighter than your own, though this may
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">not involve weight in the terms with which you are familiar.
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">Probable actions emerge, then, into matter systems quite as valid as
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">your own, and quite as consistent. </span>
<br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">You are used to thinking in single line thoughts, so you think of events
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">that you know as complete things or actions, not realizing that what you
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">perceive is but a </span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">fraction of their entire multidimensional existence.</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">In greater terms, it is impossible to separate one physical event from
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">the probable events, for these are all dimensions of one action.</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">It is basically impossible to separate the "you" that you know from the
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">probable you's of which you are unaware, for the same reasons.
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">There are always inner pathways, however, leading between probable
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">events; </span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">since all of them are manifestations of an act in its becoming, then the
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">dimensions between these are illusions.</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">The physical brain alone cannot pick up these connections with any great
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">success. </span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">The mind, which is the inner counterpart of the brain, can at times
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">perceive the far greater dimensions of any given event
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">through a burst of sudden intuition or comprehension that cannot be
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">adequately described on a verbal level.</span><br>
<b><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">As I have said frequently, time as you think of it does not exist, yet
</span></b><br>
<b><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">in your terms, time's true nature could be understood if the basic
</span></b><br>
<b><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">nature of the atom was ever made known to you.
</span></b><br>
<b><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">In one way, an atom could be compared to a microsecond.</span></b><br>
<b><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">It seems as if an atom "exists" steadily for a certain amount of time.
</span></b><br>
<b><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">Instead it phases in and out, so to speak.
</span></b><br>
<b><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">It fluctuates in a highly predictable pattern and rhythm.
</span></b><br>
<b><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">It can be perceived within your system only at certain points in this
</span></b><br>
<b><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">fluctuation, so it seems to scientists that the atom is steadily
</span></b><br>
<b><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">present. </span></b><br>
<b><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">They are not aware of any gaps of absence as far as the atom is
</span></b><br>
<b><span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">concerned. </span></b><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">In those periods of nonphysical projection, the off periods of
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">fluctuation, the atoms "appear" in another system of reality.
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">In that system they are perceived in what are "on" points of
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">fluctuation, and in that system also then the atoms (seem to) appear
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">steadily. </span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">There are many such points of fluctuation, but your system of course is
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">not aware of them, nor of the ultimate actions, universes, and systems
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">that exist within them.</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">Now the same sort of behavior occurs on a deep, basic, secret, and
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">unexplored psychological level. </span>
<br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">The physically oriented consciousness, responding to one phase of the
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">atom's activity, comes alive and awake to its particular existence, but
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">in between are other fluctuations in which consciousness is focused upon
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">entirely different systems of reality; each of these coming awake and
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">responding, and each one having no sense of absence, and memory only
</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">of those particular fluctuations to which they respond."</span><br>
<span style="font-family:"Georgia",serif">Seth, session 567 </span></p>
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> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 15:14:17 -0700<br>
> From: Robert Vaessen <<a href="mailto:notime@robsworld.org">notime@robsworld.org</a>><br>
> To: No such thing as time or motion discussions<br>
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> Subject: [notime] What is the 'Seth Speaks Material'?<br>
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> Andy -<br>
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> There are no ?rules? regarding ?how this forum works?. You?re free to discuss any ?No Such Thing as Time? topic. In the absence of other contributions, I?ve been replaying/relaying some correspondence I?ve had over the years. Email conversations on the topic
of ?No Such Thing as Time?. Any subscriber is free to contribute their ideas, questions, ideas on the relevant topics.<br>
> <br>
> Could you provide some more information about ?Seth Speaks?? I haven?t read any of it, but I am interested to know how it relates to this topic. Everything I know about the topic is based upon writings ?about? the material. Is there anything in the material
which supports a ?no such thing as time? concept?<br>
> <br>
> Perhaps you (or some other subscriber) could contribute to this forum by providing an overview of what the ?Seth Speaks? material is, and how it relates to the topic of ?No Such Thing as Time??<br>
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> - Robert<br>
> <br>
> > On Feb 14, 2016, at 13:13, Andy W <<a href="mailto:accessweb_ltd@hotmail.com%20%3cmailto:accessweb_ltd@hotmail.com">accessweb_ltd@hotmail.com <mailto:accessweb_ltd@hotmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
> > <br>
> > Hi<br>
> > <br>
> > Not really sure how this forum works but I would definitely recommend Reading Seth speaks the validity of the soul which in my opinion is the definitive work on this subject & many others..<br>
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> To: No such thing as time or motion discussions<br>
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> Hey everyone, I'm the guy that revived Rob's public awesomeness...will forward some good summaries in the next couple of days including my five part series on Seth and dreams from 2010 and how it all ties into the ultimate truths we are so close to comprehending...Seth
could not be more relevant.<br>
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> From: Andy W <<a href="mailto:accessweb_ltd@hotmail.com">accessweb_ltd@hotmail.com</a>><br>
> Date:02/14/2016 4:58 PM (GMT-05:00)<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org">akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a><br>
> Cc:<br>
> Subject: Re: [notime] Hi Sue<br>
> <br>
> Hi Sue,<br>
> <br>
> Yep sounds like something from the Seth material channelling (Jane Roerts) but I've read most of the books & don't remember that analogy. Seth talks of Multi dimensional universe & probabilities & says that time is a human construct that fits into this camouflaged
physical reality..Think the fact that Seth is a entity no longer focused in physial life & also the channeling nature of the material puts alot of people off "maybe" from reading it, but personally although some of the concepts are difficult to understand
It's a book that's changed my life & confirms what I all ready new from personal experience ie OBE's etc.<br>
> <br>
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> > Subject: akinetochronism Digest, Vol 6, Issue 2<br>
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> > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 20:13:53 +0000<br>
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> > To: "<a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org">akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org">akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a>><br>
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> > Hi<br>
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> > Not really sure how this forum works but I would definitely recommend Reading Seth speaks the validity of the soul which in my opinion is the definitive work on this subject & many others..<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > > From: <a href="mailto:akinetochronism-request@robsworld.org">akinetochronism-request@robsworld.org</a><br>
> > > Subject: akinetochronism Digest, Vol 6, Issue 1<br>
> > > To: <a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org">akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a><br>
> > > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 12:00:02 -0600<br>
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> > > physical world (Robert Vaessen)<br>
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> > > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:19:24 -0700<br>
> > > From: Robert Vaessen <<a href="mailto:notime@robsworld.org">notime@robsworld.org</a>><br>
> > > To: No such thing as time or motion discussions<br>
> > > <<a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org">akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a>><br>
> > > Subject: [notime] Time, like gravity is an unseen force acting upon<br>
> > > the physical world<br>
> > > Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:07849408-73D9-4849-8735-C65F46499527@robsworld.org">07849408-73D9-4849-8735-C65F46499527@robsworld.org</a>><br>
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> > > All -<br>
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> > > As mentioned in previous posts to this list - I?m planning/am re-posting some of my previous ?No Time? conversations. Conversations with correspondents who wrote (over the years) in regards to the ?No Time? treatise/ideas I wrote/posted at: <<a href="http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html%20%3chttp:/www.robsworld.org/notime.html">http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html
<http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html</a>>>. I will be re-posting, dissecting, discussing that correspondence here; on the ?Akinetochronism? forum/mailing list. Here (see below) is another early discussion I engaged in with a correspondent. Please feel free
to agree, disagree, or discuss these ?No Time / No Motion? ideas. In order to post/respond to the list all you have to do is draft and email and address it to: <<a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org%20%3cmailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org">akinetochronism@robsworld.org
<mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a>>><br>
> > ><br>
> > > In this particular discussion/conversation I received an email from ?Jason K? - In that email he commented on something (gravity) that people sometimes use when they try to refute the non-existence of time.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Note that some ?redaction? has been applied to protect Hedley's identity and occasionally for brevity?s sake. In the case of email addresses or full names, I simply omit the full email address or name.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > - Robert<br>
> > ><br>
> > > In this reposting, I have added my responses to the original post from Jason K. Jason's original email arrived on the 17th of Nov, 2004. My reply was sent on the 5th of Dec, 2004. Hedley's comments are in dark blue (with a single indent/quotation level).
My comments are in light blue (with a double indent/quotation level).<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > > On Nov 17, 2004, at 11:09, Jason K wrote:<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > I would like to congratulate you on the completion of such an eye opening web page AND theory, or should I say truth. ?Time? is taken for granted, or should I state the concept of time is taken for granted, or perhaps I shouldn?t even refer to time,
period, J because how can we refer to something that doesn?t exist, right?<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > >> Thanks for visiting Rob's World! I'm glad you liked my page about the non-existence of time (and motion). Perhaps you'll come back and check out some of the other material.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > I wonder if some people might challenge you that time is a force similar to that of ?gravity?, a force we cannot see, truly feel, touch, taste, etc. Although, I have to admit that gravities existence can probably be proven in the sense that in our world/dimension,
everything that goes up must come down (you know what I mean). I guess I may have even answered my own question since times? existence cannot be proven in such a manner. Your thoughts, though, would be appreciated.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > >> People have suggested that time is a force in the sense of Gravity. I usually counter with the question 'What force does time effect?' How does it act on things? Then they fumble for an answer. Then I challenge them to define time without using time
as part of the definition. Check out this link for an extended conversation regarding the nature of time:
<a href="http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html">http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html</a> <<a href="http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html">http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html</a>><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Thanks in advance for answering my question.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > >> I hope I've stimulated your thought buds.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Jason K, Salt Lake City, Utah<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > This whole time thing has made me question further the ?existence? of things we take for granted, such as ?math?. We can?t physically touch ?math? except in a book or what we see on paper, which kind of gives it an artificial form, do you follow? Perhaps
like time, math is a concept given ?existence? like the ?framework? thought of as time. My mind is blown if you can?t tell.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > >> Oh, you're right on the money. There is no such 'thing' as math. Math is a language. It's an artificial construct, just like time. It's something that we've created in our minds. Time exists solely to help us understand our existence. Math is a way
of communicating ideas.<br>
> > > >><br>
> > > >> Thanks for the email.<br>
> > > >><br>
> > > >> - Robert<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Time, like math is a construct that created in order to describe or comprehend or describe the things we don?t understand. While math is a artificial (we created it) linguistic construct, time is a natural (our mind creates it) mental construct. We gave
that construct a name (time) and further refined it using various logical constructs such as years, days, minutes, seconds, etc.<br>
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> > > - Robert<br>
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> > To: No such thing as time or motion discussions<br>
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> > Hello, Andy,Thanks for the suggestion (I just ordered it from my library after reading your post).Would you by any chance have any idea of a book that is bugging me because I just can't find it again?? I read it eight years ago and it was what gave me the
idea that time is not real.I remember it was something like Seth (something channeled) and it explained reality as us travelling through something the way a worm crawls through fruit.? In other words, the fruit is our universe and we choose a path through
it but we don't create?a future?we just travel through it all.Sue S.? ?<br>
> ><br>
> > From: Andy W <<a href="mailto:accessweb_ltd@hotmail.com">accessweb_ltd@hotmail.com</a>><br>
> > To: "<a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org">akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org">akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a>><br>
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> > Not really sure how this forum works but I would definitely recommend Reading Seth speaks the validity of the soul which in my opinion is the definitive work on this subject & many others..<br>
> ><br>
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> > > 1. Time, like gravity is an unseen force acting upon the<br>
> > > physical world (Robert Vaessen)<br>
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> > > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:19:24 -0700<br>
> > > From: Robert Vaessen <<a href="mailto:notime@robsworld.org">notime@robsworld.org</a>><br>
> > > To: No such thing as time or motion discussions<br>
> > > <<a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org">akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a>><br>
> > > Subject: [notime] Time, like gravity is an unseen force acting upon<br>
> > > the physical world<br>
> > > Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:07849408-73D9-4849-8735-C65F46499527@robsworld.org">07849408-73D9-4849-8735-C65F46499527@robsworld.org</a>><br>
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> > > As mentioned in previous posts to this list - I?m planning/am re-posting some of my previous ?No Time? conversations. Conversations with correspondents who wrote (over the years) in regards to the ?No Time? treatise/ideas I wrote/posted at: <<a href="http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html%20%3chttp:/www.robsworld.org/notime.html">http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html
<http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html</a>>>. I will be re-posting, dissecting, discussing that correspondence here; on the ?Akinetochronism? forum/mailing list. Here (see below) is another early discussion I engaged in with a correspondent. Please feel free
to agree, disagree, or discuss these ?No Time / No Motion? ideas. In order to post/respond to the list all you have to do is draft and email and address it to: <<a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org%20%3cmailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org">akinetochronism@robsworld.org
<mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a>>><br>
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> > > In this particular discussion/conversation I received an email from ?Jason K? - In that email he commented on something (gravity) that people sometimes use when they try to refute the non-existence of time.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Note that some ?redaction? has been applied to protect Hedley's identity and occasionally for brevity?s sake. In the case of email addresses or full names, I simply omit the full email address or name.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > - Robert<br>
> > ><br>
> > > In this reposting, I have added my responses to the original post from Jason K. Jason's original email arrived on the 17th of Nov, 2004. My reply was sent on the 5th of Dec, 2004. Hedley's comments are in dark blue (with a single indent/quotation level).
My comments are in light blue (with a double indent/quotation level).<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > > On Nov 17, 2004, at 11:09, Jason K wrote:<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > I would like to congratulate you on the completion of such an eye opening web page AND theory, or should I say truth. ?Time? is taken for granted, or should I state the concept of time is taken for granted, or perhaps I shouldn?t even refer to time,
period, J because how can we refer to something that doesn?t exist, right?<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > >> Thanks for visiting Rob's World! I'm glad you liked my page about the non-existence of time (and motion). Perhaps you'll come back and check out some of the other material.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > I wonder if some people might challenge you that time is a force similar to that of ?gravity?, a force we cannot see, truly feel, touch, taste, etc. Although, I have to admit that gravities existence can probably be proven in the sense that in our world/dimension,
everything that goes up must come down (you know what I mean). I guess I may have even answered my own question since times? existence cannot be proven in such a manner. Your thoughts, though, would be appreciated.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > >> People have suggested that time is a force in the sense of Gravity. I usually counter with the question 'What force does time effect?' How does it act on things? Then they fumble for an answer. Then I challenge them to define time without using time
as part of the definition. Check out this link for an extended conversation regarding the nature of time:
<a href="http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html">http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html</a> <<a href="http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html">http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html</a>><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Thanks in advance for answering my question.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > >> I hope I've stimulated your thought buds.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Jason K, Salt Lake City, Utah<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > This whole time thing has made me question further the ?existence? of things we take for granted, such as ?math?. We can?t physically touch ?math? except in a book or what we see on paper, which kind of gives it an artificial form, do you follow? Perhaps
like time, math is a concept given ?existence? like the ?framework? thought of as time. My mind is blown if you can?t tell.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > >> Oh, you're right on the money. There is no such 'thing' as math. Math is a language. It's an artificial construct, just like time. It's something that we've created in our minds. Time exists solely to help us understand our existence. Math is a way
of communicating ideas.<br>
> > > >><br>
> > > >> Thanks for the email.<br>
> > > >><br>
> > > >> - Robert<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > Time, like math is a construct that created in order to describe or comprehend or describe the things we don?t understand. While math is a artificial (we created it) linguistic construct, time is a natural (our mind creates it) mental construct. We gave
that construct a name (time) and further refined it using various logical constructs such as years, days, minutes, seconds, etc.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > - Robert<br>
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