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<p align="CENTER">Seth on the Vibratory Nature of Existence</p>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">"Now the behavior of atoms and molecules is involved here, for again </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">these are only present within your universe during certain stages. </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">Their activity is perceived only during the range of particular </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">vibratory rhythms. </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">When your scientists examine them for example, they do not examine the </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">nature, say, of an atom. </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">They only explore the characteristics of an atom as it acts or shows </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">itself within your </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">system. </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">Its greater reality completely escapes them.</font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">You understand that there are spectrums of light. </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">So are there spectrums of matter. </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">Your system of physical reality is not dense in comparison with some </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">others. </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">The dimensions that you give to physical matter barely begin to hint at </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">the varieties of dimensions possible.</font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">Some systems are far heavier or lighter than your own, though this may </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">not involve weight in the terms with which you are familiar. </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">Probable actions emerge, then, into matter systems quite as valid as </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">your own, and quite as consistent. </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">You are used to thinking in single line thoughts, so you think of events </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">that you know as complete things or actions, not realizing that what you </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">perceive is but a </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">fraction of their entire multidimensional existence.</font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">In greater terms, it is impossible to separate one physical event from </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">the probable events, for these are all dimensions of one action.</font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">It is basically impossible to separate the "you" that you know from the </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">probable you's of which you are unaware, for the same reasons. </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">There are always inner pathways, however, leading between probable </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">events; </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">since all of them are manifestations of an act in its becoming, then the </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">dimensions between these are illusions.</font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">The physical brain alone cannot pick up these connections with any great </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">success. </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">The mind, which is the inner counterpart of the brain, can at times </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">perceive the far greater dimensions of any given event </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">through a burst of sudden intuition or comprehension that cannot be </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">adequately described on a verbal level.</font><BR>
<b><font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">As I have said frequently, time as you think of it does not exist, yet </font></b><BR><b>
</b><b><font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">in your terms, time's true nature could be understood if the basic </font></b><BR><b>
</b><b><font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">nature of the atom was ever made known to you. </font></b><BR><b>
</b><b><font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">In one way, an atom could be compared to a microsecond.</font></b><BR><b>
</b><b><font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">It seems as if an atom "exists" steadily for a certain amount of time. </font></b><BR><b>
</b><b><font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">Instead it phases in and out, so to speak. </font></b><BR><b>
</b><b><font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">It fluctuates in a highly predictable pattern and rhythm. </font></b><BR><b>
</b><b><font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">It can be perceived within your system only at certain points in this </font></b><BR><b>
</b><b><font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">fluctuation, so it seems to scientists that the atom is steadily </font></b><BR><b>
</b><b><font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">present. </font></b><BR><b>
</b><b><font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">They are not aware of any gaps of absence as far as the atom is </font></b><BR><b>
</b><b><font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">concerned. </font></b><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">In those periods of nonphysical projection, the off periods of </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">fluctuation, the atoms "appear" in another system of reality. </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">In that system they are perceived in what are "on" points of </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">fluctuation, and in that system also then the atoms (seem to) appear </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">steadily. </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">There are many such points of fluctuation, but your system of course is </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">not aware of them, nor of the ultimate actions, universes, and systems </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">that exist within them.</font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">Now the same sort of behavior occurs on a deep, basic, secret, and </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">unexplored psychological level. </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">The physically oriented consciousness, responding to one phase of the </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">atom's activity, comes alive and awake to its particular existence, but </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">in between are other fluctuations in which consciousness is focused upon </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">entirely different systems of reality; each of these coming awake and </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">responding, and each one having no sense of absence, and memory only </font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">of those particular fluctuations to which they respond."</font><BR>
<font face="Georgia, Melior, Zapf Elliptical, Serifa, Times New Roman, Times,serif">Seth, session 567 </font><BR></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table><br><br><div>> From: akinetochronism-request@robsworld.org<br>> Subject: akinetochronism Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4<br>> To: akinetochronism@robsworld.org<br>> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 18:31:56 -0600<br>> <br>> Send akinetochronism mailing list submissions to<br>> akinetochronism@robsworld.org<br>> <br>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> http://robsworld.org/mailman/listinfo/akinetochronism_robsworld.org<br>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> akinetochronism-request@robsworld.org<br>> <br>> You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> akinetochronism-owner@robsworld.org<br>> <br>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> than "Re: Contents of akinetochronism digest..."<br>> <br>> <br>> Today's Topics:<br>> <br>> 1. What is the 'Seth Speaks Material'? (Robert Vaessen)<br>> 2. Re: Hi Sue (dan.schroder)<br>> <br>> <br>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 1<br>> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 15:14:17 -0700<br>> From: Robert Vaessen <notime@robsworld.org><br>> To: No such thing as time or motion discussions<br>> <akinetochronism@robsworld.org><br>> Subject: [notime] What is the 'Seth Speaks Material'?<br>> Message-ID: <110DD5E8-9C91-4C06-9CA1-D831B8687144@robsworld.org><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>> <br>> Andy -<br>> <br>> There are no ?rules? regarding ?how this forum works?. You?re free to discuss any ?No Such Thing as Time? topic. In the absence of other contributions, I?ve been replaying/relaying some correspondence I?ve had over the years. Email conversations on the topic of ?No Such Thing as Time?. Any subscriber is free to contribute their ideas, questions, ideas on the relevant topics.<br>> <br>> Could you provide some more information about ?Seth Speaks?? I haven?t read any of it, but I am interested to know how it relates to this topic. Everything I know about the topic is based upon writings ?about? the material. Is there anything in the material which supports a ?no such thing as time? concept?<br>> <br>> Perhaps you (or some other subscriber) could contribute to this forum by providing an overview of what the ?Seth Speaks? material is, and how it relates to the topic of ?No Such Thing as Time??<br>> <br>> - Robert<br>> <br>> > On Feb 14, 2016, at 13:13, Andy W <accessweb_ltd@hotmail.com <mailto:accessweb_ltd@hotmail.com>> wrote:<br>> > <br>> > Hi<br>> > <br>> > Not really sure how this forum works but I would definitely recommend Reading Seth speaks the validity of the soul which in my opinion is the definitive work on this subject & many others..<br>> > <br>> > <br>> <br>> -------------- next part --------------<br>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> URL: <http://robsworld.org/pipermail/akinetochronism_robsworld.org/attachments/20160214/4c6e0600/attachment-0001.html><br>> <br>> ------------------------------<br>> <br>> Message: 2<br>> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 19:31:42 -0500<br>> From: dan.schroder <dan.schroder@hotmail.com><br>> To: No such thing as time or motion discussions<br>> <akinetochronism@robsworld.org><br>> Subject: Re: [notime] Hi Sue<br>> Message-ID: <BLU405-EAS29612C334B9F6224F88FA399CAC0@phx.gbl><br>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>> <br>> Hey everyone, I'm the guy that revived Rob's public awesomeness...will forward some good summaries in the next couple of days including my five part series on Seth and dreams from 2010 and how it all ties into the ultimate truths we are so close to comprehending...Seth could not be more relevant.<br>> <br>> <br>> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device<br>> <br>> <br>> -------- Original message --------<br>> From: Andy W <accessweb_ltd@hotmail.com><br>> Date:02/14/2016 4:58 PM (GMT-05:00)<br>> To: akinetochronism@robsworld.org<br>> Cc:<br>> Subject: Re: [notime] Hi Sue<br>> <br>> Hi Sue,<br>> <br>> Yep sounds like something from the Seth material channelling (Jane Roerts) but I've read most of the books & don't remember that analogy. Seth talks of Multi dimensional universe & probabilities & says that time is a human construct that fits into this camouflaged physical reality..Think the fact that Seth is a entity no longer focused in physial life & also the channeling nature of the material puts alot of people off "maybe" from reading it, but personally although some of the concepts are difficult to understand It's a book that's changed my life & confirms what I all ready new from personal experience ie OBE's etc.<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> > From: akinetochronism-request@robsworld.org<br>> > Subject: akinetochronism Digest, Vol 6, Issue 2<br>> > To: akinetochronism@robsworld.org<br>> > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 15:13:38 -0600<br>> ><br>> > Send akinetochronism mailing list submissions to<br>> > akinetochronism@robsworld.org<br>> ><br>> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> > http://robsworld.org/mailman/listinfo/akinetochronism_robsworld.org<br>> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> > akinetochronism-request@robsworld.org<br>> ><br>> > You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> > akinetochronism-owner@robsworld.org<br>> ><br>> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> > than "Re: Contents of akinetochronism digest..."<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Today's Topics:<br>> ><br>> > 1. Re: akinetochronism Digest, Vol 6, Issue 1 (Andy W)<br>> > 2. Re: reply to Andy W about Seth Speaks (Susan S.)<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 1<br>> > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 20:13:53 +0000<br>> > From: Andy W <accessweb_ltd@hotmail.com><br>> > To: "akinetochronism@robsworld.org" <akinetochronism@robsworld.org><br>> > Subject: Re: [notime] akinetochronism Digest, Vol 6, Issue 1<br>> > Message-ID: <DUB116-W1674E51780E29EE5B3F57D98AB0@phx.gbl><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br>> ><br>> > Hi<br>> ><br>> > Not really sure how this forum works but I would definitely recommend Reading Seth speaks the validity of the soul which in my opinion is the definitive work on this subject & many others..<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > > From: akinetochronism-request@robsworld.org<br>> > > Subject: akinetochronism Digest, Vol 6, Issue 1<br>> > > To: akinetochronism@robsworld.org<br>> > > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 12:00:02 -0600<br>> > ><br>> > > Send akinetochronism mailing list submissions to<br>> > > akinetochronism@robsworld.org<br>> > ><br>> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> > > http://robsworld.org/mailman/listinfo/akinetochronism_robsworld.org<br>> > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> > > akinetochronism-request@robsworld.org<br>> > ><br>> > > You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> > > akinetochronism-owner@robsworld.org<br>> > ><br>> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> > > than "Re: Contents of akinetochronism digest..."<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > Today's Topics:<br>> > ><br>> > > 1. Time, like gravity is an unseen force acting upon the<br>> > > physical world (Robert Vaessen)<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> > ><br>> > > Message: 1<br>> > > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:19:24 -0700<br>> > > From: Robert Vaessen <notime@robsworld.org><br>> > > To: No such thing as time or motion discussions<br>> > > <akinetochronism@robsworld.org><br>> > > Subject: [notime] Time, like gravity is an unseen force acting upon<br>> > > the physical world<br>> > > Message-ID: <07849408-73D9-4849-8735-C65F46499527@robsworld.org><br>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>> > ><br>> > > All -<br>> > ><br>> > > As mentioned in previous posts to this list - I?m planning/am re-posting some of my previous ?No Time? conversations. Conversations with correspondents who wrote (over the years) in regards to the ?No Time? treatise/ideas I wrote/posted at: <http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html <http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html>>. I will be re-posting, dissecting, discussing that correspondence here; on the ?Akinetochronism? forum/mailing list. Here (see below) is another early discussion I engaged in with a correspondent. Please feel free to agree, disagree, or discuss these ?No Time / No Motion? ideas. In order to post/respond to the list all you have to do is draft and email and address it to: <akinetochronism@robsworld.org <mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org>><br>> > ><br>> > > In this particular discussion/conversation I received an email from ?Jason K? - In that email he commented on something (gravity) that people sometimes use when they try to refute the non-existence of time.<br>> > ><br>> > > Note that some ?redaction? has been applied to protect Hedley's identity and occasionally for brevity?s sake. In the case of email addresses or full names, I simply omit the full email address or name.<br>> > ><br>> > > - Robert<br>> > ><br>> > > In this reposting, I have added my responses to the original post from Jason K. Jason's original email arrived on the 17th of Nov, 2004. My reply was sent on the 5th of Dec, 2004. Hedley's comments are in dark blue (with a single indent/quotation level). My comments are in light blue (with a double indent/quotation level).<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > > On Nov 17, 2004, at 11:09, Jason K wrote:<br>> > > ><br>> > > > I would like to congratulate you on the completion of such an eye opening web page AND theory, or should I say truth. ?Time? is taken for granted, or should I state the concept of time is taken for granted, or perhaps I shouldn?t even refer to time, period, J because how can we refer to something that doesn?t exist, right?<br>> > > ><br>> > > >> Thanks for visiting Rob's World! I'm glad you liked my page about the non-existence of time (and motion). Perhaps you'll come back and check out some of the other material.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > I wonder if some people might challenge you that time is a force similar to that of ?gravity?, a force we cannot see, truly feel, touch, taste, etc. Although, I have to admit that gravities existence can probably be proven in the sense that in our world/dimension, everything that goes up must come down (you know what I mean). I guess I may have even answered my own question since times? existence cannot be proven in such a manner. Your thoughts, though, would be appreciated.<br>> > > ><br>> > > >> People have suggested that time is a force in the sense of Gravity. I usually counter with the question 'What force does time effect?' How does it act on things? Then they fumble for an answer. Then I challenge them to define time without using time as part of the definition. Check out this link for an extended conversation regarding the nature of time: http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html <http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html><br>> > > ><br>> > > > Thanks in advance for answering my question.<br>> > > ><br>> > > >> I hope I've stimulated your thought buds.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > Jason K, Salt Lake City, Utah<br>> > > ><br>> > > > This whole time thing has made me question further the ?existence? of things we take for granted, such as ?math?. We can?t physically touch ?math? except in a book or what we see on paper, which kind of gives it an artificial form, do you follow? Perhaps like time, math is a concept given ?existence? like the ?framework? thought of as time. My mind is blown if you can?t tell.<br>> > > ><br>> > > >> Oh, you're right on the money. There is no such 'thing' as math. Math is a language. It's an artificial construct, just like time. It's something that we've created in our minds. Time exists solely to help us understand our existence. Math is a way of communicating ideas.<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> Thanks for the email.<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> - Robert<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > Time, like math is a construct that created in order to describe or comprehend or describe the things we don?t understand. While math is a artificial (we created it) linguistic construct, time is a natural (our mind creates it) mental construct. We gave that construct a name (time) and further refined it using various logical constructs such as years, days, minutes, seconds, etc.<br>> > ><br>> > > - Robert<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > -------------- next part --------------<br>> > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> > > URL: <http://robsworld.org/pipermail/akinetochronism_robsworld.org/attachments/20160213/1bce45a1/attachment-0001.html><br>> > ><br>> > > ------------------------------<br>> > ><br>> > > Subject: Digest Footer<br>> > ><br>> > > _______________________________________________<br>> > > akinetochronism mailing list<br>> > > To post message: akinetochronism@robsworld.org<br>> > > To unsubscribe: akinetochronism-unsubscribe@robsworld.org<br>> > > List information: http://robsworld.org/mailman/listinfo/akinetochronism_robsworld.org<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > ------------------------------<br>> > ><br>> > > End of akinetochronism Digest, Vol 6, Issue 1<br>> > > *********************************************<br>> ><br>> > -------------- next part --------------<br>> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>> > URL: <http://robsworld.org/pipermail/akinetochronism_robsworld.org/attachments/20160214/70c039d0/attachment-0001.html><br>> ><br>> > ------------------------------<br>> ><br>> > Message: 2<br>> > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 21:09:49 +0000 (UTC)<br>> > From: "Susan S." <sdsup@yahoo.com><br>> > To: No such thing as time or motion discussions<br>> > <akinetochronism@robsworld.org><br>> > Subject: Re: [notime] reply to Andy W about Seth Speaks<br>> > Message-ID:<br>> > <891892175.3311781.1455484189461.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com><br>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>> ><br>> > Hello, Andy,Thanks for the suggestion (I just ordered it from my library after reading your post).Would you by any chance have any idea of a book that is bugging me because I just can't find it again?? I read it eight years ago and it was what gave me the idea that time is not real.I remember it was something like Seth (something channeled) and it explained reality as us travelling through something the way a worm crawls through fruit.? In other words, the fruit is our universe and we choose a path through it but we don't create?a future?we just travel through it all.Sue S.? ?<br>> ><br>> > From: Andy W <accessweb_ltd@hotmail.com><br>> > To: "akinetochronism@robsworld.org" <akinetochronism@robsworld.org><br>> > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 12:13 PM<br>> > Subject: Re: [notime] akinetochronism Digest, Vol 6, Issue 1<br>> ><br>> > <!--#yiv5543870546 .yiv5543870546hmmessage P{margin:0px;padding:0px;}#yiv5543870546 body.yiv5543870546hmmessage{font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;}-->Hi<br>> ><br>> > Not really sure how this forum works but I would definitely recommend Reading Seth speaks the validity of the soul which in my opinion is the definitive work on this subject & many others..<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > > From: akinetochronism-request@robsworld.org<br>> > > Subject: akinetochronism Digest, Vol 6, Issue 1<br>> > > To: akinetochronism@robsworld.org<br>> > > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 12:00:02 -0600<br>> > ><br>> > > Send akinetochronism mailing list submissions to<br>> > > akinetochronism@robsworld.org<br>> > ><br>> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>> > > http://robsworld.org/mailman/listinfo/akinetochronism_robsworld.org<br>> > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>> > > akinetochronism-request@robsworld.org<br>> > ><br>> > > You can reach the person managing the list at<br>> > > akinetochronism-owner@robsworld.org<br>> > ><br>> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>> > > than "Re: Contents of akinetochronism digest..."<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > Today's Topics:<br>> > ><br>> > > 1. Time, like gravity is an unseen force acting upon the<br>> > > physical world (Robert Vaessen)<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>> > ><br>> > > Message: 1<br>> > > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:19:24 -0700<br>> > > From: Robert Vaessen <notime@robsworld.org><br>> > > To: No such thing as time or motion discussions<br>> > > <akinetochronism@robsworld.org><br>> > > Subject: [notime] Time, like gravity is an unseen force acting upon<br>> > > the physical world<br>> > > Message-ID: <07849408-73D9-4849-8735-C65F46499527@robsworld.org><br>> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>> > ><br>> > > All -<br>> > ><br>> > > As mentioned in previous posts to this list - I?m planning/am re-posting some of my previous ?No Time? conversations. Conversations with correspondents who wrote (over the years) in regards to the ?No Time? treatise/ideas I wrote/posted at: <http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html <http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html>>. I will be re-posting, dissecting, discussing that correspondence here; on the ?Akinetochronism? forum/mailing list. Here (see below) is another early discussion I engaged in with a correspondent. Please feel free to agree, disagree, or discuss these ?No Time / No Motion? ideas. In order to post/respond to the list all you have to do is draft and email and address it to: <akinetochronism@robsworld.org <mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org>><br>> > ><br>> > > In this particular discussion/conversation I received an email from ?Jason K? - In that email he commented on something (gravity) that people sometimes use when they try to refute the non-existence of time.<br>> > ><br>> > > Note that some ?redaction? has been applied to protect Hedley's identity and occasionally for brevity?s sake. In the case of email addresses or full names, I simply omit the full email address or name.<br>> > ><br>> > > - Robert<br>> > ><br>> > > In this reposting, I have added my responses to the original post from Jason K. Jason's original email arrived on the 17th of Nov, 2004. My reply was sent on the 5th of Dec, 2004. Hedley's comments are in dark blue (with a single indent/quotation level). My comments are in light blue (with a double indent/quotation level).<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > > On Nov 17, 2004, at 11:09, Jason K wrote:<br>> > > ><br>> > > > I would like to congratulate you on the completion of such an eye opening web page AND theory, or should I say truth. ?Time? is taken for granted, or should I state the concept of time is taken for granted, or perhaps I shouldn?t even refer to time, period, J because how can we refer to something that doesn?t exist, right?<br>> > > ><br>> > > >> Thanks for visiting Rob's World! I'm glad you liked my page about the non-existence of time (and motion). Perhaps you'll come back and check out some of the other material.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > I wonder if some people might challenge you that time is a force similar to that of ?gravity?, a force we cannot see, truly feel, touch, taste, etc. Although, I have to admit that gravities existence can probably be proven in the sense that in our world/dimension, everything that goes up must come down (you know what I mean). I guess I may have even answered my own question since times? existence cannot be proven in such a manner. Your thoughts, though, would be appreciated.<br>> > > ><br>> > > >> People have suggested that time is a force in the sense of Gravity. I usually counter with the question 'What force does time effect?' How does it act on things? Then they fumble for an answer. Then I challenge them to define time without using time as part of the definition. Check out this link for an extended conversation regarding the nature of time: http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html <http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html><br>> > > ><br>> > > > Thanks in advance for answering my question.<br>> > > ><br>> > > >> I hope I've stimulated your thought buds.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > Jason K, Salt Lake City, Utah<br>> > > ><br>> > > > This whole time thing has made me question further the ?existence? of things we take for granted, such as ?math?. We can?t physically touch ?math? except in a book or what we see on paper, which kind of gives it an artificial form, do you follow? Perhaps like time, math is a concept given ?existence? like the ?framework? thought of as time. My mind is blown if you can?t tell.<br>> > > ><br>> > > >> Oh, you're right on the money. There is no such 'thing' as math. Math is a language. It's an artificial construct, just like time. It's something that we've created in our minds. Time exists solely to help us understand our existence. Math is a way of communicating ideas.<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> Thanks for the email.<br>> > > >><br>> > > >> - Robert<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > Time, like math is a construct that created in order to describe or comprehend or describe the things we don?t understand. While math is a artificial (we created it) linguistic construct, time is a natural (our mind creates it) mental construct. 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