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I will read the book, but I'd also love to hear how the Seth book applies to all this in your opinions. <br>
I am looking for info on a certain feeling about time that makes it not only not a thing, but also just a path through all possible futures which all already exist.<br>
Sue</p>
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Date:02/14/2016 4:58 PM (GMT-05:00) <br>
To: <a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org">akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a> <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Sue,<br>
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Yep sounds like something from the Seth material channelling (Jane Roerts) but I've read most of the books & don't remember that analogy. Seth talks of Multi dimensional universe & probabilities & says that time is a human construct that fits into this camouflaged
physical reality..Think the fact that Seth is a entity no longer focused in physial life & also the channeling nature of the material puts alot of people off "maybe" from reading it, but personally although some of the concepts are difficult to understand
It's a book that's changed my life & confirms what I all ready new from personal experience ie OBE's etc.<br>
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> To: "<a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org">akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org">akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a>><br>
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> Not really sure how this forum works but I would definitely recommend Reading Seth speaks the validity of the soul which in my opinion is the definitive work on this subject & many others..<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:akinetochronism-request@robsworld.org">akinetochronism-request@robsworld.org</a><br>
> > Subject: akinetochronism Digest, Vol 6, Issue 1<br>
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> > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:19:24 -0700<br>
> > From: Robert Vaessen <<a href="mailto:notime@robsworld.org">notime@robsworld.org</a>><br>
> > To: No such thing as time or motion discussions<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org">akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a>><br>
> > Subject: [notime] Time, like gravity is an unseen force acting upon<br>
> > the physical world<br>
> > Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:07849408-73D9-4849-8735-C65F46499527@robsworld.org">07849408-73D9-4849-8735-C65F46499527@robsworld.org</a>><br>
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> > As mentioned in previous posts to this list - I?m planning/am re-posting some of my previous ?No Time? conversations. Conversations with correspondents who wrote (over the years) in regards to the ?No Time? treatise/ideas I wrote/posted at: <<a href="http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html">http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html</a>
<<a href="http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html>>">http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html>></a>;. I will be re-posting, dissecting, discussing that correspondence here; on the ?Akinetochronism? forum/mailing list. Here (see below) is another early discussion I engaged in with a correspondent. Please feel free to
agree, disagree, or discuss these ?No Time / No Motion? ideas. In order to post/respond to the list all you have to do is draft and email and address it to: <<a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org">akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org">akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a>>><br>
> > <br>
> > In this particular discussion/conversation I received an email from ?Jason K? - In that email he commented on something (gravity) that people sometimes use when they try to refute the non-existence of time.
<br>
> > <br>
> > Note that some ?redaction? has been applied to protect Hedley's identity and occasionally for brevity?s sake. In the case of email addresses or full names, I simply omit the full email address or name.
<br>
> > <br>
> > - Robert<br>
> > <br>
> > In this reposting, I have added my responses to the original post from Jason K. Jason's original email arrived on the 17th of Nov, 2004. My reply was sent on the 5th of Dec, 2004. Hedley's comments are in dark blue (with a single indent/quotation level).
My comments are in light blue (with a double indent/quotation level).<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > > On Nov 17, 2004, at 11:09, Jason K wrote:<br>
> > > <br>
> > > I would like to congratulate you on the completion of such an eye opening web page AND theory, or should I say truth. ?Time? is taken for granted, or should I state the concept of time is taken for granted, or perhaps I shouldn?t even refer to time, period,
J because how can we refer to something that doesn?t exist, right?<br>
> > > <br>
> > >> Thanks for visiting Rob's World! I'm glad you liked my page about the non-existence of time (and motion). Perhaps you'll come back and check out some of the other material.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > I wonder if some people might challenge you that time is a force similar to that of ?gravity?, a force we cannot see, truly feel, touch, taste, etc. Although, I have to admit that gravities existence can probably be proven in the sense that in our world/dimension,
everything that goes up must come down (you know what I mean). I guess I may have even answered my own question since times? existence cannot be proven in such a manner. Your thoughts, though, would be appreciated.<br>
> > > <br>
> > >> People have suggested that time is a force in the sense of Gravity. I usually counter with the question 'What force does time effect?' How does it act on things? Then they fumble for an answer. Then I challenge them to define time without using time
as part of the definition. Check out this link for an extended conversation regarding the nature of time: <a href="http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html">http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html</a> <<a href="http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html>">http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html></a>;<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Thanks in advance for answering my question.<br>
> > > <br>
> > >> I hope I've stimulated your thought buds.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Jason K, Salt Lake City, Utah<br>
> > > <br>
> > > This whole time thing has made me question further the ?existence? of things we take for granted, such as ?math?. We can?t physically touch ?math? except in a book or what we see on paper, which kind of gives it an artificial form, do you follow? Perhaps
like time, math is a concept given ?existence? like the ?framework? thought of as time. My mind is blown if you can?t tell.<br>
> > > <br>
> > >> Oh, you're right on the money. There is no such 'thing' as math. Math is a language. It's an artificial construct, just like time. It's something that we've created in our minds. Time exists solely to help us understand our existence. Math is a way of
communicating ideas.<br>
> > >> <br>
> > >> Thanks for the email.<br>
> > >> <br>
> > >> - Robert<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > Time, like math is a construct that created in order to describe or comprehend or describe the things we don?t understand. While math is a artificial (we created it) linguistic construct, time is a natural (our mind creates it) mental construct. We gave
that construct a name (time) and further refined it using various logical constructs such as years, days, minutes, seconds, etc.<br>
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> Hello, Andy,Thanks for the suggestion (I just ordered it from my library after reading your post).Would you by any chance have any idea of a book that is bugging me because I just can't find it again?? I read it eight years ago and it was what gave me the
idea that time is not real.I remember it was something like Seth (something channeled) and it explained reality as us travelling through something the way a worm crawls through fruit.? In other words, the fruit is our universe and we choose a path through
it but we don't create?a future?we just travel through it all.Sue S.? ?<br>
> <br>
> From: Andy W <<a href="mailto:accessweb_ltd@hotmail.com">accessweb_ltd@hotmail.com</a>><br>
> To: "<a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org">akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org">akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a>> <br>
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> <br>
> Not really sure how this forum works but I would definitely recommend Reading Seth speaks the validity of the soul which in my opinion is the definitive work on this subject & many others..<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:akinetochronism-request@robsworld.org">akinetochronism-request@robsworld.org</a><br>
> > Subject: akinetochronism Digest, Vol 6, Issue 1<br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org">akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a><br>
> > Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 12:00:02 -0600<br>
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> > <br>
> > 1. Time, like gravity is an unseen force acting upon the<br>
> > physical world (Robert Vaessen)<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> > <br>
> > Message: 1<br>
> > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:19:24 -0700<br>
> > From: Robert Vaessen <<a href="mailto:notime@robsworld.org">notime@robsworld.org</a>><br>
> > To: No such thing as time or motion discussions<br>
> > <<a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org">akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a>><br>
> > Subject: [notime] Time, like gravity is an unseen force acting upon<br>
> > the physical world<br>
> > Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:07849408-73D9-4849-8735-C65F46499527@robsworld.org">07849408-73D9-4849-8735-C65F46499527@robsworld.org</a>><br>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>
> > <br>
> > All -<br>
> > <br>
> > As mentioned in previous posts to this list - I?m planning/am re-posting some of my previous ?No Time? conversations. Conversations with correspondents who wrote (over the years) in regards to the ?No Time? treatise/ideas I wrote/posted at: <<a href="http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html">http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html</a>
<<a href="http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html>>">http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html>></a>;. I will be re-posting, dissecting, discussing that correspondence here; on the ?Akinetochronism? forum/mailing list. Here (see below) is another early discussion I engaged in with a correspondent. Please feel free to
agree, disagree, or discuss these ?No Time / No Motion? ideas. In order to post/respond to the list all you have to do is draft and email and address it to: <<a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org">akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org">akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a>>><br>
> > <br>
> > In this particular discussion/conversation I received an email from ?Jason K? - In that email he commented on something (gravity) that people sometimes use when they try to refute the non-existence of time.
<br>
> > <br>
> > Note that some ?redaction? has been applied to protect Hedley's identity and occasionally for brevity?s sake. In the case of email addresses or full names, I simply omit the full email address or name.
<br>
> > <br>
> > - Robert<br>
> > <br>
> > In this reposting, I have added my responses to the original post from Jason K. Jason's original email arrived on the 17th of Nov, 2004. My reply was sent on the 5th of Dec, 2004. Hedley's comments are in dark blue (with a single indent/quotation level).
My comments are in light blue (with a double indent/quotation level).<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > > On Nov 17, 2004, at 11:09, Jason K wrote:<br>
> > > <br>
> > > I would like to congratulate you on the completion of such an eye opening web page AND theory, or should I say truth. ?Time? is taken for granted, or should I state the concept of time is taken for granted, or perhaps I shouldn?t even refer to time, period,
J because how can we refer to something that doesn?t exist, right?<br>
> > > <br>
> > >> Thanks for visiting Rob's World! I'm glad you liked my page about the non-existence of time (and motion). Perhaps you'll come back and check out some of the other material.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > I wonder if some people might challenge you that time is a force similar to that of ?gravity?, a force we cannot see, truly feel, touch, taste, etc. Although, I have to admit that gravities existence can probably be proven in the sense that in our world/dimension,
everything that goes up must come down (you know what I mean). I guess I may have even answered my own question since times? existence cannot be proven in such a manner. Your thoughts, though, would be appreciated.<br>
> > > <br>
> > >> People have suggested that time is a force in the sense of Gravity. I usually counter with the question 'What force does time effect?' How does it act on things? Then they fumble for an answer. Then I challenge them to define time without using time
as part of the definition. Check out this link for an extended conversation regarding the nature of time: <a href="http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html">http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html</a> <<a href="http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html>">http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html></a>;<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Thanks in advance for answering my question.<br>
> > > <br>
> > >> I hope I've stimulated your thought buds.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Jason K, Salt Lake City, Utah<br>
> > > <br>
> > > This whole time thing has made me question further the ?existence? of things we take for granted, such as ?math?. We can?t physically touch ?math? except in a book or what we see on paper, which kind of gives it an artificial form, do you follow? Perhaps
like time, math is a concept given ?existence? like the ?framework? thought of as time. My mind is blown if you can?t tell.<br>
> > > <br>
> > >> Oh, you're right on the money. There is no such 'thing' as math. Math is a language. It's an artificial construct, just like time. It's something that we've created in our minds. Time exists solely to help us understand our existence. Math is a way of
communicating ideas.<br>
> > >> <br>
> > >> Thanks for the email.<br>
> > >> <br>
> > >> - Robert<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > Time, like math is a construct that created in order to describe or comprehend or describe the things we don?t understand. While math is a artificial (we created it) linguistic construct, time is a natural (our mind creates it) mental construct. We gave
that construct a name (time) and further refined it using various logical constructs such as years, days, minutes, seconds, etc.<br>
> > <br>
> > - Robert<br>
> > <br>
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