<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">All -</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As mentioned in previous posts to this list - I’m planning/am re-posting some of my previous ‘No Time’ conversations. Conversations with correspondents who wrote (over the years) in regards to the ’No Time’ treatise/ideas I wrote/posted at: <<a href="http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html" class="">http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html</a>>. I will be re-posting, dissecting, discussing that correspondence here; on the ‘Akinetochronism’ forum/mailing list. Here (see below) is another early discussion I engaged in with a correspondent. Please feel free to agree, disagree, or discuss these ‘No Time / No Motion’ ideas. In order to post/respond to the list all you have to do is draft and email and address it to: <<a href="mailto:akinetochronism@robsworld.org" class="">akinetochronism@robsworld.org</a>></div><div class=""><br class="">In this particular discussion/conversation I received an email from ‘Jason K’ - In that email he commented on something (gravity) that people sometimes use when they try to refute the non-existence of time. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Note that some ‘redaction’ has been applied to protect Hedley's identity and occasionally for brevity’s sake. In the case of email addresses or full names, I simply omit the full email address or name. </div><div class=""><br class="">- Robert<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><font face="Arial" class="">In this reposting, I have added my responses to the original post from Jason K. Jason's original email arrived on the 17th of Nov, 2004. My reply was sent on the 5th of Dec, 2004. Hedley's comments are in dark blue (with a single indent/quotation level). My comments are in light blue (with a double indent/quotation level).</font></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""></div><div class=""><div class="Section1" style="page: Section1;"><div class=""><font class=""><span class=""></span></font><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""></div></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""></div></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 17, 2004, at 11:09, Jason K wrote:</div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">I would like to congratulate you on the completion of such an eye opening web page AND theory, or should I say truth. “Time” is taken for granted, or should I state the concept of time is taken for granted, or perhaps I shouldn’t even refer to time, period, J because how can we refer to something that doesn’t exist, right?</div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Thanks for visiting Rob's World! I'm glad you liked my page about the non-existence of time (and motion). Perhaps you'll come back and check out some of the other material.<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class=""></blockquote><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">I wonder if some people might challenge you that time is a force similar to that of “gravity”, a force we cannot see, truly feel, touch, taste, etc. Although, I have to admit that gravities existence can probably be proven in the sense that in our world/dimension, everything that goes up must come down (you know what I mean). I guess I may have even answered my own question since times’ existence cannot be proven in such a manner. Your thoughts, though, would be appreciated.<br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class=""></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">People have suggested that time is a force in the sense of Gravity. I usually counter with the question 'What force does time effect?' How does it act on things? Then they fumble for an answer. Then I challenge them to define time without using time as part of the definition. Check out this link for an extended conversation regarding the nature of time: <a href="http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html" class="">http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html</a><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class="">Thanks in advance for answering my question.<br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">I hope I've stimulated your thought buds.<br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class="">Jason K, Salt Lake City, Utah<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class="">This whole time thing has made me question further the “existence” of things we take for granted, such as “math”. We can’t physically touch “math” except in a book or what we see on paper, which kind of gives it an artificial form, do you follow? Perhaps like time, math is a concept given “existence” like the “framework” thought of as time. My mind is blown if you can’t tell.<br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class=""></blockquote><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Oh, you're right on the money. There is no such 'thing' as math. Math is a language. It's an artificial construct, just like time. It's something that we've created in our minds. Time exists solely to help us understand our existence. Math is a way of communicating ideas.<br class=""><br class="">Thanks for the email.<br class=""><br class="">- Robert<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Time, like math is a construct that created in order to describe or comprehend or describe the things we don’t understand. While math is a artificial (we created it) linguistic construct, time is a natural (our mind creates it) mental construct. We gave that construct a name (time) and further refined it using various logical constructs such as years, days, minutes, seconds, etc.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- Robert</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></body></html>