[notime] Seth

Tue Feb 16 20:11:49 MST 2016

Allen, I figure I owe you a short, sweet and on topic response after your clear and concise post :).  Some of us think that time is definitely fake, and for those of us in that camp, Rob's most notable breakthrough IMO is that even though we are so very far away from being able to prove that motion is also fake, in the grand scheme of things it makes more sense that motion is also fake if time truly fake.  The puzzle fits together more cleanly if he's right, even though it means we have even more puzzle pieces missing than we'd thought.

It's possible that the strings are "vibrating" here in our dimension, and your fingers are "moving" down towards the "stationary" keys, but that all of that (what we think of as) motion is only a projection/derivative from a higher dimension and maybe even caused by the 5th-6th-plus forces that you mentioned.  Like our whole existence is being puppeteered from a higher dimension, all for the shared purpose of being able to interact in a physical environment at all (a beautiful thing we can all agree) which necessitates "dumbing down" our full awareness with the fake and agreed upon concepts of time and motion.

The delicate rate at which the universe had to be expanding in order for us to ever wind up here required astronomically-high levels of precise expansion-rate calibration.  Everything might be tethered to higher dimensions, from the big bang-type event (inflation theory) on.

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Date:02/16/2016  9:27 PM  (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: Re: [notime] Seth

Sorry,,,,

I don’t buy this “Seth dissertation” – especially as I believe it is not relative to this email thread “No such thing as time or motion”.

A few fine facts contained therein are lost within an enormous amount of subjectivity and pontification. It makes for a hard read imo.

Some previous posters have written some point specific comments, suggestions, hypothesis and questions. Imo, these type of email replies bode better for the thread. Short and sweet is easier to digest than long and convoluted.

Guys,,, I think we are talking physics here not movies and dreams.

Every email I have read, I have considered and mated it up with what I believe I know.

So I will offer my thoughts so far. To start:
Who really cares if there IS or IS NOT any time or motion. I think the author took a position and like a true scientist he wants to vet it out fully, welcoming everyone’s ideas .

I for one have a feeling that the definition of time is not the same for all of us.

Mostly everyone buys into “time” as a measurement tool. But how deep they consider the tool is I guess what this email thread is about.
To me, “time” is a unit-less measure of movement for any and all objects. So in my theory if there is no movement then there is no time.  And I mean down to the string theory level (if that is a valid theory) If the strings vibrate, then there is time.
That is as far as I get with my concept,,, I’d be more than happy to consider counterpoints.

As far as No motion. Well, If one is considering motion as a relativistic unit on every minute scale then why not. In other words tell me that my fingers typing on this keyboard are not moving because the keys are actually jumping up towards my fingers, so relatively I / we (the keyboard & I ) have not really moved Or when I get up to go to the bathroom, the bathroom is actually coming to me and so on… then perhaps yes, relativistic-ally maybe there has not been any movement. Boy this requires then in my definition that to every action there is an equal and totally equal reaction (down to the string level – again if that theory holds true). Is that the idea of “no motion”?

Otherwise what’s wrong with movement and the measure of movement (time in my definition).  I believe in the big bang or at least in the expansion of our universe. Movement. So I am curious as to why “no motion”. The “no time” thing I like albeit my definition might not be the one being promulgated here.

I’m deftly curious about how the universe works, and what other possibilities lie out there and the consideration of what other universes might look like, especially considering that they may have difference constant atomic constituent values and or lacking constituent elements or perhaps they have even more fundamental constituent elements. Maybe not 4 forces of nature but 5 or 6 or so on.

I read about the possibility of denser or less dense universes. Cool concepts come to mind, Different forms of life or life like entities. Perhaps Rocks or Crystalline structures that are alive within more massive Crystalline structure worlds.

I may have gone off on a tangent but some previous posters have alluded to similar strange considerations that have sparked my mind.

So, if not obvious, I enjoy reading these emails. I might agree to a small degree with Andy’s frustration over Daniel’s posts, but temperance and patience is definitely needed imo, on and in any web / email forum...

Good work Rob.

Allen

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Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 3:47 AM
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Hi,

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these are only present within your universe during certain stages.
Their activity is perceived only during the range of particular
vibratory rhythms.
When your scientists examine them for example, they do not examine the
nature, say, of an atom.
They only explore the characteristics of an atom as it acts or shows
itself within your
system.
Its greater reality completely escapes them.
You understand that there are spectrums of light.
So are there spectrums of matter.
Your system of physical reality is not dense in comparison with some
others.
The dimensions that you give to physical matter barely begin to hint at
the varieties of dimensions possible.
Some systems are far heavier or lighter than your own, though this may
not involve weight in the terms with which you are familiar.
Probable actions emerge, then, into matter systems quite as valid as
your own, and quite as consistent.
You are used to thinking in single line thoughts, so you think of events
that you know as complete things or actions, not realizing that what you
perceive is but a
fraction of their entire multidimensional existence.
In greater terms, it is impossible to separate one physical event from
the probable events, for these are all dimensions of one action.
It is basically impossible to separate the "you" that you know from the
probable you's of which you are unaware, for the same reasons.
There are always inner pathways, however, leading between probable
events;
since all of them are manifestations of an act in its becoming, then the
dimensions between these are illusions.
The physical brain alone cannot pick up these connections with any great
success.
The mind, which is the inner counterpart of the brain, can at times
perceive the far greater dimensions of any given event
through a burst of sudden intuition or comprehension that cannot be
adequately described on a verbal level.
As I have said frequently, time as you think of it does not exist, yet
in your terms, time's true nature could be understood if the basic
nature of the atom was ever made known to you.
In one way, an atom could be compared to a microsecond.
It seems as if an atom "exists" steadily for a certain amount of time.
Instead it phases in and out, so to speak.
It fluctuates in a highly predictable pattern and rhythm.
It can be perceived within your system only at certain points in this
fluctuation, so it seems to scientists that the atom is steadily
present.
They are not aware of any gaps of absence as far as the atom is
concerned.
In those periods of nonphysical projection, the off periods of
fluctuation, the atoms "appear" in another system of reality.
In that system they are perceived in what are "on" points of
fluctuation, and in that system also then the atoms (seem to) appear
steadily.
There are many such points of fluctuation, but your system of course is
not aware of them, nor of the ultimate actions, universes, and systems
that exist within them.
Now the same sort of behavior occurs on a deep, basic, secret, and
unexplored psychological level.
The physically oriented consciousness, responding to one phase of the
atom's activity, comes alive and awake to its particular existence, but
in between are other fluctuations in which consciousness is focused upon
entirely different systems of reality; each of these coming awake and
responding, and each one having no sense of absence, and memory only
of those particular fluctuations to which they respond."
Seth, session 567

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> There are no ?rules? regarding ?how this forum works?. You?re free to discuss any ?No Such Thing as Time? topic. In the absence of other contributions, I?ve been replaying/relaying some correspondence I?ve had over the years. Email conversations on the topic of ?No Such Thing as Time?. Any subscriber is free to contribute their ideas, questions, ideas on the relevant topics.
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> Could you provide some more information about ?Seth Speaks?? I haven?t read any of it, but I am interested to know how it relates to this topic. Everything I know about the topic is based upon writings ?about? the material. Is there anything in the material which supports a ?no such thing as time? concept?
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> Perhaps you (or some other subscriber) could contribute to this forum by providing an overview of what the ?Seth Speaks? material is, and how it relates to the topic of ?No Such Thing as Time??
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> > On Feb 14, 2016, at 13:13, Andy W <accessweb_ltd at hotmail.com <mailto:accessweb_ltd at hotmail.com<mailto:accessweb_ltd at hotmail.com%20%3cmailto:accessweb_ltd at hotmail.com>>> wrote:
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> > Not really sure how this forum works but I would definitely recommend Reading Seth speaks the validity of the soul which in my opinion is the definitive work on this subject & many others..
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> Hey everyone, I'm the guy that revived Rob's public awesomeness...will forward some good summaries in the next couple of days including my five part series on Seth and dreams from 2010 and how it all ties into the ultimate truths we are so close to comprehending...Seth could not be more relevant.
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> Hi Sue,
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> Yep sounds like something from the Seth material channelling (Jane Roerts) but I've read most of the books & don't remember that analogy. Seth talks of Multi dimensional universe & probabilities & says that time is a human construct that fits into this camouflaged physical reality..Think the fact that Seth is a entity no longer focused in physial life & also the channeling nature of the material puts alot of people off "maybe" from reading it, but personally although some of the concepts are difficult to understand It's a book that's changed my life & confirms what I all ready new from personal experience ie OBE's etc.
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> > Not really sure how this forum works but I would definitely recommend Reading Seth speaks the validity of the soul which in my opinion is the definitive work on this subject & many others..
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> > > As mentioned in previous posts to this list - I?m planning/am re-posting some of my previous ?No Time? conversations. Conversations with correspondents who wrote (over the years) in regards to the ?No Time? treatise/ideas I wrote/posted at: <http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html <http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html<http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html%20%3chttp:/www.robsworld.org/notime.html>>>. I will be re-posting, dissecting, discussing that correspondence here; on the ?Akinetochronism? forum/mailing list. Here (see below) is another early discussion I engaged in with a correspondent. Please feel free to agree, disagree, or discuss these ?No Time / No Motion? ideas. In order to post/respond to the list all you have to do is draft and email and address it to: <akinetochronism at robsworld.org <mailto:akinetochronism at robsworld.org<mailto:akinetochronism at robsworld.org%20%3cmailto:akinetochronism at robsworld.org>>>
> > >
> > > In this particular discussion/conversation I received an email from ?Jason K? - In that email he commented on something (gravity) that people sometimes use when they try to refute the non-existence of time.
> > >
> > > Note that some ?redaction? has been applied to protect Hedley's identity and occasionally for brevity?s sake. In the case of email addresses or full names, I simply omit the full email address or name.
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> > > - Robert
> > >
> > > In this reposting, I have added my responses to the original post from Jason K. Jason's original email arrived on the 17th of Nov, 2004. My reply was sent on the 5th of Dec, 2004. Hedley's comments are in dark blue (with a single indent/quotation level). My comments are in light blue (with a double indent/quotation level).
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> > > > On Nov 17, 2004, at 11:09, Jason K wrote:
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> > > > I would like to congratulate you on the completion of such an eye opening web page AND theory, or should I say truth. ?Time? is taken for granted, or should I state the concept of time is taken for granted, or perhaps I shouldn?t even refer to time, period, J because how can we refer to something that doesn?t exist, right?
> > > >
> > > >> Thanks for visiting Rob's World! I'm glad you liked my page about the non-existence of time (and motion). Perhaps you'll come back and check out some of the other material.
> > > >
> > > > I wonder if some people might challenge you that time is a force similar to that of ?gravity?, a force we cannot see, truly feel, touch, taste, etc. Although, I have to admit that gravities existence can probably be proven in the sense that in our world/dimension, everything that goes up must come down (you know what I mean). I guess I may have even answered my own question since times? existence cannot be proven in such a manner. Your thoughts, though, would be appreciated.
> > > >
> > > >> People have suggested that time is a force in the sense of Gravity. I usually counter with the question 'What force does time effect?' How does it act on things? Then they fumble for an answer. Then I challenge them to define time without using time as part of the definition. Check out this link for an extended conversation regarding the nature of time: http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html <http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html>
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance for answering my question.
> > > >
> > > >> I hope I've stimulated your thought buds.
> > > >
> > > > Jason K, Salt Lake City, Utah
> > > >
> > > > This whole time thing has made me question further the ?existence? of things we take for granted, such as ?math?. We can?t physically touch ?math? except in a book or what we see on paper, which kind of gives it an artificial form, do you follow? Perhaps like time, math is a concept given ?existence? like the ?framework? thought of as time. My mind is blown if you can?t tell.
> > > >
> > > >> Oh, you're right on the money. There is no such 'thing' as math. Math is a language. It's an artificial construct, just like time. It's something that we've created in our minds. Time exists solely to help us understand our existence. Math is a way of communicating ideas.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for the email.
> > > >>
> > > >> - Robert
> > >
> > >
> > > Time, like math is a construct that created in order to describe or comprehend or describe the things we don?t understand. While math is a artificial (we created it) linguistic construct, time is a natural (our mind creates it) mental construct. We gave that construct a name (time) and further refined it using various logical constructs such as years, days, minutes, seconds, etc.
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> > Hello, Andy,Thanks for the suggestion (I just ordered it from my library after reading your post).Would you by any chance have any idea of a book that is bugging me because I just can't find it again?? I read it eight years ago and it was what gave me the idea that time is not real.I remember it was something like Seth (something channeled) and it explained reality as us travelling through something the way a worm crawls through fruit.? In other words, the fruit is our universe and we choose a path through it but we don't create?a future?we just travel through it all.Sue S.? ?
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> > Not really sure how this forum works but I would definitely recommend Reading Seth speaks the validity of the soul which in my opinion is the definitive work on this subject & many others..
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> > > From: akinetochronism-request at robsworld.org<mailto:akinetochronism-request at robsworld.org>
> > > Subject: akinetochronism Digest, Vol 6, Issue 1
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> > > 1. Time, like gravity is an unseen force acting upon the
> > > physical world (Robert Vaessen)
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> > > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 16:19:24 -0700
> > > From: Robert Vaessen <notime at robsworld.org<mailto:notime at robsworld.org>>
> > > To: No such thing as time or motion discussions
> > > <akinetochronism at robsworld.org<mailto:akinetochronism at robsworld.org>>
> > > Subject: [notime] Time, like gravity is an unseen force acting upon
> > > the physical world
> > > Message-ID: <07849408-73D9-4849-8735-C65F46499527 at robsworld.org<mailto:07849408-73D9-4849-8735-C65F46499527 at robsworld.org>>
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> > > As mentioned in previous posts to this list - I?m planning/am re-posting some of my previous ?No Time? conversations. Conversations with correspondents who wrote (over the years) in regards to the ?No Time? treatise/ideas I wrote/posted at: <http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html <http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html<http://www.robsworld.org/notime.html%20%3chttp:/www.robsworld.org/notime.html>>>. I will be re-posting, dissecting, discussing that correspondence here; on the ?Akinetochronism? forum/mailing list. Here (see below) is another early discussion I engaged in with a correspondent. Please feel free to agree, disagree, or discuss these ?No Time / No Motion? ideas. In order to post/respond to the list all you have to do is draft and email and address it to: <akinetochronism at robsworld.org <mailto:akinetochronism at robsworld.org<mailto:akinetochronism at robsworld.org%20%3cmailto:akinetochronism at robsworld.org>>>
> > >
> > > In this particular discussion/conversation I received an email from ?Jason K? - In that email he commented on something (gravity) that people sometimes use when they try to refute the non-existence of time.
> > >
> > > Note that some ?redaction? has been applied to protect Hedley's identity and occasionally for brevity?s sake. In the case of email addresses or full names, I simply omit the full email address or name.
> > >
> > > - Robert
> > >
> > > In this reposting, I have added my responses to the original post from Jason K. Jason's original email arrived on the 17th of Nov, 2004. My reply was sent on the 5th of Dec, 2004. Hedley's comments are in dark blue (with a single indent/quotation level). My comments are in light blue (with a double indent/quotation level).
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Nov 17, 2004, at 11:09, Jason K wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I would like to congratulate you on the completion of such an eye opening web page AND theory, or should I say truth. ?Time? is taken for granted, or should I state the concept of time is taken for granted, or perhaps I shouldn?t even refer to time, period, J because how can we refer to something that doesn?t exist, right?
> > > >
> > > >> Thanks for visiting Rob's World! I'm glad you liked my page about the non-existence of time (and motion). Perhaps you'll come back and check out some of the other material.
> > > >
> > > > I wonder if some people might challenge you that time is a force similar to that of ?gravity?, a force we cannot see, truly feel, touch, taste, etc. Although, I have to admit that gravities existence can probably be proven in the sense that in our world/dimension, everything that goes up must come down (you know what I mean). I guess I may have even answered my own question since times? existence cannot be proven in such a manner. Your thoughts, though, would be appreciated.
> > > >
> > > >> People have suggested that time is a force in the sense of Gravity. I usually counter with the question 'What force does time effect?' How does it act on things? Then they fumble for an answer. Then I challenge them to define time without using time as part of the definition. Check out this link for an extended conversation regarding the nature of time: http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html <http://www.robsworld.org/mhonarcfiles/maillist.html>
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance for answering my question.
> > > >
> > > >> I hope I've stimulated your thought buds.
> > > >
> > > > Jason K, Salt Lake City, Utah
> > > >
> > > > This whole time thing has made me question further the ?existence? of things we take for granted, such as ?math?. We can?t physically touch ?math? except in a book or what we see on paper, which kind of gives it an artificial form, do you follow? Perhaps like time, math is a concept given ?existence? like the ?framework? thought of as time. My mind is blown if you can?t tell.
> > > >
> > > >> Oh, you're right on the money. There is no such 'thing' as math. Math is a language. It's an artificial construct, just like time. It's something that we've created in our minds. Time exists solely to help us understand our existence. Math is a way of communicating ideas.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for the email.
> > > >>
> > > >> - Robert
> > >
> > >
> > > Time, like math is a construct that created in order to describe or comprehend or describe the things we don?t understand. While math is a artificial (we created it) linguistic construct, time is a natural (our mind creates it) mental construct. We gave that construct a name (time) and further refined it using various logical constructs such as years, days, minutes, seconds, etc.
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> > > - Robert
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