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- To: Patrick G Konshak
- Subject: Consciousness shifting
- From: Robert L. Vaessen
- Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:05:01 -0700
- Cc: Robert Garrity ,
- In-reply-to: <20020318.164224.-3932787.0.>
If I understand this: if only the consciousness exist outside
Well, I'm a bit confused by your question, but I'll give it a
try. I believe there are two sets of rules. Rules which govern
what the physical world (nodes) actually consists of, and rules
which govern/limit how 'we' experience the physical world.
then the laws (limitations) that exist out side the matrix must
the consciousness. There for physical and mental limitations
in consciousness as a program. Just as a computer can only do
what it is
program to, our conscience can only do what it's program to. Thought I
might of read somewhere that you don't conceder these physical laws to
exist in the consciousness. If these limiting laws don't exist in the
matrix or the consciousness, do they have a place all to themselves or
are these limiting laws floating around freely? Can you clear this up?
The rules that govern the physical world are the same for every
life form inhabiting the matrix. They apply to non-sentient
objects. The fixed nodes of reality.
The rules that govern sentient beings vary. Some life-forms
experience reality (the nodes) in a different manner than we do.
Where do rules exist? I don't think I can answer that question.
I'll have to think about it for a while.
As far as I know. I'm assuming that they have consciousness.
Without experiencing the matrix from their point of view I can't
be sure. For all I know they're objects. Part of the Matrix,
placed there for my amusement.
When I talk about we, as in our consciousness, I'm talking about
the self-idealized embodiment of ones existence. The place where
cognition and the self reside."
Do chimps/new born humans/worms/trees/bacteria/virues experance nodes
It looks like we may have reached an impasse on the
non-existence of time discussion. I continue to insist that time
and motion do not exist. That limitations on our ability to
perceive more than one node at a time (etc) force us to
sequentialize the nodal experiences. Because we perceive these
events/nodes in a sequential manner, we've come up with an
explanation to explain this sequential change/process. We call
this time. Time itself does not exist. We created it. It's a
label that we slapped on one aspect of our limited perception.
Nothing actually changes. Everything; every event that has
existed, exists, or will exist (in our/your/my probability
path), exists simultaneously. All these nodes coexist
simultaneously within the same physical space. Our
consciousness is only capable of
visiting/experiencing/processing one of them at a time.
Yes. The laws of Time. You can change the name of a rose, even change
Our minds do perceive linear events. They do this as a result of
the laws imposed upon our consciousness.
it's definition, but it will still small the same. If you call
a node, event, unit, it's the same to me. If you take what man
given time credit for and give the credit to a new term, all your doing
is changing labels. I can see a reasoning that you might not
want to use
the word 'time' because every one has different idles as to
what time is,
and you might not what them too pollute (for lack of a better
idle with their believes.
What do you think time is?
You state that motion doesn't exist. Nodes don't move, it's our
Right, motion and change are the same thing. As our
consciousness moves from node to node we interpret these moves
as change, because the changes occur sequentially, we came up
with the term 'time' to explain the changes in sequence.
conscience that moves. Well as long as something is moving
(even if it's
only consciousness) then it's motion to me. If your right, we just
learned that motion is not what we though it was. Just as when we learn
that the moon was not made of cheese, it still remained the moon.
Our consciousness never actually 'moves'. It's not something
physical like a bird flying from node to node. When I say it
moves from one node to another, I'm talking about experiential
moves. Once our consciousness finishes processing one node it
'moves' to another node. The next node that it moves to is
limited to a specific subset of nodes by the rules we've talked
about earlier. The specific node it moves to is selected (use
of free will) from this subset.
Nothing is moving. Nowhere. No time. No motion. Just
consciousness shifting its point of perception from one node to